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Colonel Xaven
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Posted - 2008.12.29 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Burning Horizon ECM does need a nerf tbh
"adapt or die"
ECM as a mechanism is fine.
This. Falcons are the only real PvP ships a Caldari skilled char can bring.
Stop crying ffs.
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Colonel Xaven
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Posted - 2008.12.29 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: ZenSun It's a pussies tool if you use it in mass numbers, your just too scared to put up a good fight.
Wrong. It's a tool to ruin stupid newbie tactics.
If ECCM would be 100% effective, then a shield hardener would have 100% resistance aswell.
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Posted - 2008.12.29 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: BiggestT While I understand how annoying is is to be jammed, and i wouldnt really mind an ecm CHANGE (NOT using the word nerf), ...
ECM has been changed a long time ago. I think it has been proven that the current mechanics are fine and some ppl still cannot counter it by any reason (for those who can't, look into this post for a lesson by Stuart Price, obviously a good PvP pilot).
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Posted - 2008.12.29 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hysteresis I can't remember the name or link of the PVP video made (can someone help me out trying to find it), but in the video he setup a ship (apoc or geddon I believe) with all ECCM and backup sensors that gave hima crazy sensor strength in the hundreds (or higher) and was perma jammed by a falcon... if your sensor strength is 1,300 and you are being perma jammed.... there is a problem!
Hey, I once salvaged a whole site and didn't get any salvage from it. Bad luck.
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Colonel Xaven
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Posted - 2008.12.29 13:59:00 -
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I fly Falcons now and then. I have very good ECM skills (yeah, I skilled for it a long time instead of tank / dps) and I tell you what:
As soon as I decloak, I'm getting primaried and I'm unable to lock all those targets that fast plus it is impossible to jam all of them instantly. So I got hit once and twice (nerf lasers, rails) and with a bit luck I haven't any hostile dictor near me so I can warp out.
I say: Boost scan resolution on Falcons!
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Colonel Xaven
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Posted - 2008.12.29 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hysteresis I'm still waiting to hear your thoughts on having it be 115 and still getting jammed the WHOLE time, not about my previously said made up number of 1300. Focus on the facts I gave not the speculation I already said was made up.
Here are teh facts, now discuss having 115 str and getting perma-jammed.
Exactly what I thought, I have proof and all you can do is say "let's forget the fact and make fun of random figures"
Come on guys, stick to the topic.
Ok, random figures:
A Raven with 3 ECCM mods = gravimetric sensor strength of 122. A Spatial Destabilizer II on a Falcon for me = 5.1193 Gravimetric strength.
Now let's do the maths. Formula inside optimal ECM range. 5.1193 / 122 * 100 = 4.196 % chance of being jammed (means 4 hits in 100 attempts). 4% chance.
An Apoc with 1 ECCM (Radar fyi) has 39,2 str. I have 5.1193 with racial t2 jammer. 5.1193/39.2 * 100 = 13,06 % chance.
An Apoc with ECCM against a Falcon at 200km (optimal 151.2): (5.1193/39.2) * 100 * (37.8*2 - (200-151.2))/37.8*2)) = 4.68% chance.
Oh well, no wonder that all people on a gang are always perma-jammed by 1 falcon.
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 29/12/2008 16:46:10 Edited by: Colonel Xaven on 29/12/2008 16:39:18
Yeah I can't get in game now so I used EFT figures.
/edit: Which was horribly wrong. But you can do the maths each for yourselves.
For everyone who wants to know a bit more about ECM besides the "Perma-jammed" phrases, read that guide (including formulas 'n stuff).
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Colonel Xaven
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Posted - 2008.12.29 22:57:00 -
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Hey Lee, I know you speak the truth and that's why I don't like you, lol. See you in space .
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